tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1509900465677846838.post6008994306692862390..comments2020-10-02T23:38:15.144-04:00Comments on NAS Confusion: IFR at O90deltamike172http://www.blogger.com/profile/03440111329857048591noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1509900465677846838.post-90871782984984400412009-12-15T01:52:45.430-05:002009-12-15T01:52:45.430-05:00A-
I had to verify the pilot could maintain terrai...A-<br />I had to verify the pilot could maintain terrain and obstruction clearance based on the new direction of departure, not because I said "direct". The only way to get from OGS to OGIVE is direct, since its 5 miles from the airport on the Localizer approach. He filed OGS-ALB and that is what he expecting to do, and what he planned before-hand, making sure he was safe on that route below the applicable IFR minimum altitudes. If I gave him anything other than direct ALB or as filed, I would have to verify he's OK with it, and he can deny the clearance if he isn't comfortable with the new heading off the airport. Not accepting compliance cancels the clearance.deltamike172https://www.blogger.com/profile/03440111329857048591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1509900465677846838.post-83262771310197482092009-12-08T21:41:11.006-05:002009-12-08T21:41:11.006-05:00"(the SR22) is cleared from the OGS airport t..."(the SR22) is cleared from the OGS airport to the OGIVE beacon via direct, maintain 5000, expect routing to HYA via ALB V130 MVY direct and higher when radar identified, clearance void if not off by....(10 minutes at the most), contact boston center on 135.25, squawk code 4617, also verify the pilot can maintain his own terrain and obstruction avoidance to Ogive."<br /><br />Why the "via direct" if you clear the aircraft to the fix/navaid without the "direct" then you don't have to add the verify the pilot etc. The pilot is expected to fly the published departure procedure for the airport then proceed to the fix via the appropriate navigation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1509900465677846838.post-5522516838220231402009-11-05T13:19:08.482-05:002009-11-05T13:19:08.482-05:00Jason B,
While most places don't worry about t...Jason B,<br />While most places don't worry about the nav-aid use limitation rules in the 7110.65, we have had circumstances (I had a post about this and Malone a few months back), mainly, the fact that the MSS VOR is unusable below 10000 due to a water tower, that have made management really anal about keeping planes legal when they come off the ground. We don't believe this is any safer than say "cleared to xxx via as filed", but the issue has been elevated to the region and they're working on something. <br /><br />In this case, regardless of the politics, clearing these guys to OGIVE as a clearance limit is the best way in a crappy-radar, en-route environment. If I said cleared as filed to the Citation at 4000...I would have had to call GTB approach first and they would have had to block the airspace all the way to ART VOR 4000 and below. With the SR22, it left us the opportunity to vector the Cape Air in radar coverage around the published hold at OGIVE if we needed to. <br /><br />We know its a pain in the ass for pilots to suddenly be given a short void time to a new location, but many pilots that fly in and out of ZBW airports are getting used to it. <br /><br />The real safety issue is that everyone, including Cape Air, feels encouraged to depart VFR and then pick up their IFR once they're above the minimum IFR altitude and in radar coverage, even if its not exactly awesome VFR weather.deltamike172https://www.blogger.com/profile/03440111329857048591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1509900465677846838.post-57836009403333907992009-11-05T12:16:19.747-05:002009-11-05T12:16:19.747-05:00This should be required reading for newly minted I...This should be required reading for newly minted IFR pilots! Beautifully written.<br /><br />It's impressive to see someone who is so passionate about their job, and clearly has pilots' best interests in mind (based on how you were trying to get traffic in/out as efficiently as possible).<br /><br />Thanks for doing such great work, it's really appreciated. I'm always looking for new places to fly, maybe I'll give these a shot when you're working some time!Keith Smithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14550719755202468279noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1509900465677846838.post-91118785975309172362009-10-19T12:00:17.728-04:002009-10-19T12:00:17.728-04:00I had a few questions. What was the motivation beh...I had a few questions. What was the motivation behind only clearing the departures to the beacon? <br /><br />Also if they're cleared to the first fix under their own nav why did you need the 'terrain and obstacle' speech, is that a local thing?<br /><br />All that said nicely done working with the R-side and keeping the flow smooth!Jason Bnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1509900465677846838.post-15876906493704872322009-10-17T21:45:19.724-04:002009-10-17T21:45:19.724-04:00Well blogged!
MR, ZOBWell blogged!<br /><br />MR, ZOBAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1509900465677846838.post-33301429981602436412009-10-17T16:25:34.287-04:002009-10-17T16:25:34.287-04:00This was one of your most informative posts to dat...This was one of your most informative posts to date! Since I am starting the academy for ZBW on Oct 29th, I have been reading up on the 7110.65. Yesterday I was reading the chapter talking about giving out clearances, and then i found this post, which really helped me to get a more practical understanding! Can wait to work with you.Toby.Bucsescu@gmail.comhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05356116306853513366noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1509900465677846838.post-54146554695547435322009-10-17T12:08:18.123-04:002009-10-17T12:08:18.123-04:00Ya know....
"one four miles to Misse, turn r...Ya know....<br /><br />"one four miles to Misse, turn right heading 030, maintain 4000 until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 5 approach Massena"<br /><br />Deep down I sometimes wish I worked at an approach control. I love my area...but still :) <br /><br />The ILS 5 into MSS is the only approach we can vector to, but we can only see 4000 or 5000 due to radar coverage, so its kind of a pain, and if we're busy in the UCA sector, we're not gonna do it. Its also tough becuase we're on a huge range, so the ILS is an itty-bitty line...<br /><br />Generally, planes are just flying visuals or they go direct the LOM, this way we can clear them to 3200 and they usually get the field in sight...deltamike172https://www.blogger.com/profile/03440111329857048591noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-1509900465677846838.post-2494292534214016402009-10-17T10:32:20.599-04:002009-10-17T10:32:20.599-04:00DM:
Ooh, I love this stuff. Pilot-voyeurism at it...DM:<br /><br />Ooh, I love this stuff. Pilot-voyeurism at its finest. I think I get the O90 bit, but, care to let an outsider in on what "ILS approach phraseology, I'll pass breaks!" is all about?<br /><br />I enjoyed the post...thanks.<br /><br />FrankFrank Van Hastehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10821687850881538546noreply@blogger.com